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		<title>Comment on recommendation 4 by Karen Woodall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Woodall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Responding to the suggestion that a high profile campaign to promote the benefits of contact between children and both of their parents will bring about positive change for children.

The reason why we feel that more research is needed into the adult decision to separate and the impact that this has upon children is that it is at this critical point that the seeds of  conflict between parents are sown.  When a couple decides to separate they will already be facing some tough psychological and emotional pressures.  At this point, the ways in which each seek support from the outside world has an impact upon them.  Currently in the UK, the cultural expectation is that separated mothers will care for their children and fathers will provide.  This expectation is reinforced through policy and practice.  In other EU countries, this is not the case and the cultural expectation is framed around each parent being able to care and provide.  Consequently, there are more stable shared care arrangements, children&#039;s needs are placed at the heart of an ongoing parenting responsibility.  It seems so simple and straightforward, but achieving this in the UK is impossible in the current climate where policy and practice divide parents into carer or provider.  

We want to see longitudinal research put in place that examines a different way of working with separated families, one that is closer to the EU countries where shared parenting is considered to be the norm.  We want to add into that research and understanding of the benefits to children to having parents that co-operate on a long term basis.  We want to more fully understand what goes wrong in the UK, what other approaches could bring better outcomes and how policy and practice must change in the UK in order to bring about better outcomes for children.

We believe that until we are able to do this, positive messages about contact with parents will simply be ignored.  Too many of the parents we work with already know that their relationship with their children is crucial.  Too many are stuck in conflict caused by our divisive policy and practice around separated families to be able to enjoy that ongoing relationship.

We have been campaigning for holistic policy and practice for ten years in the UK.  This has met with fierce resistance from many organisations representing either one parent or the other.  Strangely enough, the one group that welcomes our work are separated parents themselves, many of whom desperately want to make shared care arrangements work for their children.  

In May 2009 we will meet with European colleagues to learn more about their approach to supporting separated families.  We will seek to learn more about social policy in action and how different countries support separated families to work together.  From there we will publish a report to put to all of the political parties along with a proposal to implement a longitudinal study of holistic interventions in practice.   Our aim is to bring about radical change in the way that separated families are supported so that it does become the cultural norm to co-operate and share care.  We consider that this is the way that we can bring about better outcomes for children affected by family separation.

Our experience shows us that parents don&#039;t need to be told that children need both of them after separation, they already know that, they just cannot overcome the institutionalised barriers to make those arrangements work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to the suggestion that a high profile campaign to promote the benefits of contact between children and both of their parents will bring about positive change for children.</p>
<p>The reason why we feel that more research is needed into the adult decision to separate and the impact that this has upon children is that it is at this critical point that the seeds of  conflict between parents are sown.  When a couple decides to separate they will already be facing some tough psychological and emotional pressures.  At this point, the ways in which each seek support from the outside world has an impact upon them.  Currently in the UK, the cultural expectation is that separated mothers will care for their children and fathers will provide.  This expectation is reinforced through policy and practice.  In other EU countries, this is not the case and the cultural expectation is framed around each parent being able to care and provide.  Consequently, there are more stable shared care arrangements, children&#8217;s needs are placed at the heart of an ongoing parenting responsibility.  It seems so simple and straightforward, but achieving this in the UK is impossible in the current climate where policy and practice divide parents into carer or provider.  </p>
<p>We want to see longitudinal research put in place that examines a different way of working with separated families, one that is closer to the EU countries where shared parenting is considered to be the norm.  We want to add into that research and understanding of the benefits to children to having parents that co-operate on a long term basis.  We want to more fully understand what goes wrong in the UK, what other approaches could bring better outcomes and how policy and practice must change in the UK in order to bring about better outcomes for children.</p>
<p>We believe that until we are able to do this, positive messages about contact with parents will simply be ignored.  Too many of the parents we work with already know that their relationship with their children is crucial.  Too many are stuck in conflict caused by our divisive policy and practice around separated families to be able to enjoy that ongoing relationship.</p>
<p>We have been campaigning for holistic policy and practice for ten years in the UK.  This has met with fierce resistance from many organisations representing either one parent or the other.  Strangely enough, the one group that welcomes our work are separated parents themselves, many of whom desperately want to make shared care arrangements work for their children.  </p>
<p>In May 2009 we will meet with European colleagues to learn more about their approach to supporting separated families.  We will seek to learn more about social policy in action and how different countries support separated families to work together.  From there we will publish a report to put to all of the political parties along with a proposal to implement a longitudinal study of holistic interventions in practice.   Our aim is to bring about radical change in the way that separated families are supported so that it does become the cultural norm to co-operate and share care.  We consider that this is the way that we can bring about better outcomes for children affected by family separation.</p>
<p>Our experience shows us that parents don&#8217;t need to be told that children need both of them after separation, they already know that, they just cannot overcome the institutionalised barriers to make those arrangements work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on recommendation 3 by leigh hyatt</title>
		<link>http://puttingchildrenfirstforum.wordpress.com/recommendation-three/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>leigh hyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is needed are parent workshops to educate parents in how to deal with there own high emotions and live without conflict with ex. Simple contact centres are degrading for both parent and child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is needed are parent workshops to educate parents in how to deal with there own high emotions and live without conflict with ex. Simple contact centres are degrading for both parent and child.</p>
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		<title>Comment on recommendation 4 by Tony C</title>
		<link>http://puttingchildrenfirstforum.wordpress.com/recommendation-four/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 21:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely with Kingsley&#039;s comments...indeed prior to separation/divorce children have &#039;shared parenting&#039;. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely with Kingsley&#8217;s comments&#8230;indeed prior to separation/divorce children have &#8217;shared parenting&#8217;.<br />
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		<title>Comment on recommendation 3 by Tony C</title>
		<link>http://puttingchildrenfirstforum.wordpress.com/recommendation-three/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with Kingsley Miller, contact centres have arisen in the legislation, not as a way of allowing a proper parental relationship, but as the only bright thing the statute drafters could come up with. To be quite frank there is very little real need for Contact Centres.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Kingsley Miller, contact centres have arisen in the legislation, not as a way of allowing a proper parental relationship, but as the only bright thing the statute drafters could come up with. To be quite frank there is very little real need for Contact Centres.<br />
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		<title>Comment on recommendation 4 by Kingsley Miller</title>
		<link>http://puttingchildrenfirstforum.wordpress.com/recommendation-four/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Kingsley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This suggestion is naive. Children suffer as a result of losing contact with either parent, post separation. This research is well established. Policy and procedures should be implemented that change the adversarial approach sometimes adopted to parenting to one which clearly recognises the benefits of &#039;shared parenting&#039; as the norm in our society. Instead of spending money on looking at the different reasons parents separate the Government should implement a high profile advertising campaign promoting the benefits to children of contact with both parents post separation. These images should counter act the media impression that only mothers can care for young children by emphasising the role of fathers. By pursuing a campaign on television and billboards it is to be hoped that there will be a general change in the public&#039;s attitudes, so that stereotypical images of &#039;lone mothers&#039; and &#039;feckless fathers&#039; will become a thing of the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This suggestion is naive. Children suffer as a result of losing contact with either parent, post separation. This research is well established. Policy and procedures should be implemented that change the adversarial approach sometimes adopted to parenting to one which clearly recognises the benefits of &#8217;shared parenting&#8217; as the norm in our society. Instead of spending money on looking at the different reasons parents separate the Government should implement a high profile advertising campaign promoting the benefits to children of contact with both parents post separation. These images should counter act the media impression that only mothers can care for young children by emphasising the role of fathers. By pursuing a campaign on television and billboards it is to be hoped that there will be a general change in the public&#8217;s attitudes, so that stereotypical images of &#8216;lone mothers&#8217; and &#8216;feckless fathers&#8217; will become a thing of the past.</p>
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		<title>Comment on recommendation 3 by Kingsley Miller</title>
		<link>http://puttingchildrenfirstforum.wordpress.com/recommendation-three/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Kingsley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you mean Child Contact Centres as an alternative to a parental relationship I disagree. &#039;Contact Centres&#039; are usually used by hostile mothers to prevent fathers having a parental relationship with their child or children - A common criticism of such centres is that the personnel they employ believe the well being of the child is synonymous with the welfare of the mother. Such centers are used, not as a half way house or a necessary compromise, but as a means of pandering to the wishes of the mother by degrading the father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you mean Child Contact Centres as an alternative to a parental relationship I disagree. &#8216;Contact Centres&#8217; are usually used by hostile mothers to prevent fathers having a parental relationship with their child or children &#8211; A common criticism of such centres is that the personnel they employ believe the well being of the child is synonymous with the welfare of the mother. Such centers are used, not as a half way house or a necessary compromise, but as a means of pandering to the wishes of the mother by degrading the father.</p>
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		<title>Comment on recommendation 2 by Kingsley Miller</title>
		<link>http://puttingchildrenfirstforum.wordpress.com/recommendation-two/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Kingsley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The policy you seem to be advocating is that there should be one overall service meeting the needs of all separated parents. Yet at the same time you recognise the diverse nature of these needs. Although theoretically there is no reason mothers and fathers should be treated differently as parents, experience has shown that reality is different. Take, for example, the suggestion, on this page, that &#039;mediation&#039; is always a reasonable alternative to litigation in the divorce courts. If this were so mediation would be mandatory. But this proposal had to be rejected by the Government as the result of exhaustive research which found that because of the uneven playing field in family proceedings mediation was ineffective - Therefore I would be obliged to advise any father to ignore mediation, if at all possible, in family proceedings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The policy you seem to be advocating is that there should be one overall service meeting the needs of all separated parents. Yet at the same time you recognise the diverse nature of these needs. Although theoretically there is no reason mothers and fathers should be treated differently as parents, experience has shown that reality is different. Take, for example, the suggestion, on this page, that &#8216;mediation&#8217; is always a reasonable alternative to litigation in the divorce courts. If this were so mediation would be mandatory. But this proposal had to be rejected by the Government as the result of exhaustive research which found that because of the uneven playing field in family proceedings mediation was ineffective &#8211; Therefore I would be obliged to advise any father to ignore mediation, if at all possible, in family proceedings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on recommendation 1 by Kingsley Miller</title>
		<link>http://puttingchildrenfirstforum.wordpress.com/recommendation-one/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Kingsley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Provision for separating parents is uneven. Government is not oblivious to the stereotypes you rally against, and quick to appeal to the general population, by attacking &#039;feckless fathers&#039; and defending &#039;lone mothers&#039;. As a result the needs of separated fathers have tended to be overlooked or ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Provision for separating parents is uneven. Government is not oblivious to the stereotypes you rally against, and quick to appeal to the general population, by attacking &#8216;feckless fathers&#8217; and defending &#8216;lone mothers&#8217;. As a result the needs of separated fathers have tended to be overlooked or ignored.</p>
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		<title>Comment on general discussion by Kingsley Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kingsley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stereotypes you describe are, as you say, deeply embedded in our society. But the purpose of discussion is not simply to find fault but to find practical alternatives. I feel the expression &#039;majority carer&#039; implies a &#039;minority carer&#039; with the assumption that one parent is better than the other and has a greater stake in the upbringing of their child or children and this would undermine an important underlying need for the change. Language is significant but the proposed change is not an improvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stereotypes you describe are, as you say, deeply embedded in our society. But the purpose of discussion is not simply to find fault but to find practical alternatives. I feel the expression &#8216;majority carer&#8217; implies a &#8216;minority carer&#8217; with the assumption that one parent is better than the other and has a greater stake in the upbringing of their child or children and this would undermine an important underlying need for the change. Language is significant but the proposed change is not an improvement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on recommendation 2 by Paul</title>
		<link>http://puttingchildrenfirstforum.wordpress.com/recommendation-two/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely! I look after my three kids for three nights a week - including all weekend. I also do all the collecting and delivering of my children, take them on holiday, pay child support, buy them clothes etc etc. But, when I phoned the One Parent Families helpline, they said they were there just for lone parents. What they meant was that I wasn&#039;t the parent with care and so they didn&#039;t class me as a lone parent. All I&#039;m trying to do is the best for my children but because I&#039;m not the parent with care, no one seems interested in helping me. I think this is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely! I look after my three kids for three nights a week &#8211; including all weekend. I also do all the collecting and delivering of my children, take them on holiday, pay child support, buy them clothes etc etc. But, when I phoned the One Parent Families helpline, they said they were there just for lone parents. What they meant was that I wasn&#8217;t the parent with care and so they didn&#8217;t class me as a lone parent. All I&#8217;m trying to do is the best for my children but because I&#8217;m not the parent with care, no one seems interested in helping me. I think this is wrong.</p>
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